euroviisuholisti kirjoitti:
You have a lots of good points and you know Azerbaijan history better than I, so you have much more a information about that how things are going on in Azerbaijan. And it's not easy to be a country which has been controlled by The Soviet Union and then later have got an indepence. In Russia is many forces who are trying to keep their ex-Soviet Union countries by Russian control.
Yes, you are right. The Caucasian region, particularly Azerbaijan is not easy country to be charged for something from some news. It is the largest country in the Caucasus and the richest in terms of natural resources, as I said surrounded by former Empires. For example, you know only one story about Russia or Azeri past from Soviet Union, but Iran also wants to get Azerbaijan, because according to Iran Islamic Government, we have to back to Persian Empires boarder that existed before we became part of Russian Empire. Recently, they even discussed to "cancel" two treatments of Russian-Persian war (although the ruling dynasty were Azeries, not Persians ) signed in 1824 and 1828 in order to return Azerbaijan back to Iran
Or the supreme leaders of Iran don't want Azerbaijan to take part in Eurovision. Because they think that it is gay contests and Azerbaijan nothing to do in this devil contest
Yes, we Azeries laugh on these all, but they take these all seriously and try to funding or corrupt some opposition members or party. Then if our current government closely observe them they right after remind about Human Rights in all possible ways. If you consider how rich and big Russia and Iran and how small Azerbaijan, we have dramas every day
. You know only Eurovision line of dramas.
euroviisuholisti kirjoitti:
But I think you make a bad mistake when you are underestimating the human rights and saying that "those happen everywhere". It's not really true. Some countries are much worse than others. If you put them like it not matter, then you are saing like you dont just care.
The violation of Human Rights is bad in everywhere. I agree with you, some countries have much, this is not Azerbaijan. I mean violation of Human Rights in Azerbaijan, for example LGBT rights. The Azerbaijani government should consider gay marriage, or legalize prostitution instead of pretending they are ok with it. One should also know that Human Rights issue can be also speculative. For example, there is Finnish Johan Bachmän. According to him, Finnish government takes Russian children from Russian mothers. He is very famous activist in Russia too. Some Russians do really believe that there is no Human Rights in Finland, because they discriminate Russian mothers. One cannot make a conclusion according to Bachmän.
euroviisuholisti kirjoitti:
But I think it's good thing that in Azerbaijan is free internet. It helps lots of people.
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Have to remember of corse that europe politics not want to declare war against Russia. So it's very hard to give orders for Russia what should to do and what not. Atleast when USA is also attacking to the oil nations.
As I said, Azerbaijan has a long political traditions in order to survive, dating back to time where there were not US or UK neither Finland as a state. (For example we accept Christianity in IV century, compare it to Finland now). We always had arena to tell the truth. In the ancient and medieval time it was forbidden for Kings to kill the "free" writers who were criticizing Kings and their loyalty.
Or when we become part of Russian Empire we had our some famous satiric writers and strongest caricature school of the time (Molla Nasraddin (magazine). Both satiric and caricature school was infusing with a revolutionary spirit, that satirically depict various social phænomena, such as inequality, cultural assimilation, and corruption; and to ridicule backward lifestyles and values of the clergy and religious fanatics. As a result Azerbaijan had the first secular school in Muslim Worlds, or Azerbaijan become a first Secular Democratic Country in Muslim World in 1918. Azerbaijani women are the first Muslim women that got right to vote in 1918 even much earlier than French or some European countries women.
As I said previously, we have free media, internet. Azeri people like criticizing, satiric comments and caricatures. Only in Soviet time our caricature school was closed together with Magazine Molla Nasredin but now it raised again to criticize the government or religious.
For example this about Iranian women after crossing border to Azerbaijan:
This is about young activist who was arrested:
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This is about the press secretary of Azerbaijani ministry
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This is about old official who died on his "chair" at work:
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euroviisuholisti kirjoitti:
Do you think same about China? They are rapid peaceful developing country but they have the very big human rights issues..
I don't think so that you can compare China to Azerbaijan. Because in our case, you have to define what do you mean by Human Rights in Azerbaijan. Apart from totalitarian China, we have opposition, free media, internet and so on. One should also remember our geopolitical situation.
Also, we didn't get our independence just for nothing. You can see from the picture below. We have long cemeteries of Victims of Black January in Martyrs' Lane. Every year we remember them with honor in 20 January. Azerbaijan was the first state who withdrew Soviet military base from its territory. We didn't fight for Aliyev or someone else. We did it for Azerbaijan. If Aliyev do not satisfy our requirements or if there is better alternative, we will go for him/her. We had time when we changed in one year three presidents. Aliyev knows that Azeries didn't afraid of Soviet tanks, so neither would afraid of him.
Azerbaijani Demonstration for independence from Soviet Union.
this is burial ceremony for those died in 20 January, 1990
euroviisuholisti kirjoitti:
Yeah. This discussion has gone out of course.
Right, I stop now and promise will not go further anymore.