Mind you, direct invitations only work as long as the invited ones take their task seriously and do their homework properly...
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Viisukuppila . Euroviisuaiheinen uutis- ja keskustelusivusto
Jennie is exactly who they SHOULD kick out though and I'm actually hopeful that they will. Jennie is a charming and pretty lady but in today's Eurovision that's not enough. Now that we've just send a big name with a song made just for Eurovision (well, they claimed something else but come on, it had Eurovision written all over it!) and no right of existence anywhere outside it - and failed with that choice, why should we try the same thing again but with a no-name this time? This genre is something us Finns can't do well but others can and do every single year. I can't understand the fuss over this song and I'm sure it would fail in Kiev.TobSon kirjoitti:This is if everything works out well. The big risk is that the jury is more or less identical to the one last year, and that they go all Eleventh Hour on us again and start kicking Teddy, Elena, Firevision, or, worst of all, Jennie, out of the competition. Sometimes the jury seem to think that the worst thing that could hit Finland would be a pop chorus people could actually sing along to.
If it was the Swedish entry, it might very vell reach a top placing, because Swedes could perform it (or wouldn't select it if they couldn't!). With the performance seen in Turku, Jennie would be nowhere near to make it to the final of Melodifestivalen.TobSon kirjoitti:This is what I fear most of all. Why do all Finns think that "Kiss me" is a tailor-made ESC song? In Sweden there would be no doubt, it would be considered a hot favourite and a possible top placing in the ESC, and surely a big commercial success after the contest.
Straight-forward, efficient chorus?? Which straight-forward, efficient chorus? Where? I wanna hear a straight-forward, efficient chorus too. There is none in this song though. Screaming "KISS ME" every fifth second and ending the chorus in a smudgy "pleaaaaaaaaaase" shout is NOT a straight-forward, efficient chorus. Besides, the arrangement gives a reason to wait for some kind of climax instead of the "please", the song grows and grows until that point and what do we get? A pointless shout and the beginning of a new verse.. eh... straight-forward and efficient... NOT. I was confused of this anti-climax on the first listening.TobSon kirjoitti:Why is everyone so afraid of a straight-forward, efficient chorus? Isn't it complicated enough? Wouldn't it impress people at the Sibelius Academy?
Thanks to Jari and the overall poor quality of the semifinal in Istanbul, T2TT did reach a relatively good placing on the Finnish scale. However, no one can _really_ call it a success, right? And it wasn't a step in the right direction. It was another try at a formulatic entry and it didn't pay off. If we keep sending what is *supposed* to do well instead of what actually *is* good, 14th in the semifinal will probably remain our best placing for another fifteen years. We SHOULD find our own style and not try to imitate the others.TobSon kirjoitti:Besides, Takes 2 To Tango was not a failure, it was the best Finnish placing since 1989... Still not good enough, but definately a step in the right direction.
I think that the time of typical ESC-songs is gone. I mean Sweden will get points for just being Sweden, no matter what they send to ESC. And to me it seems that Sweden is the only country to get succes by sending typical ESC-songs to the contest...Kuningas kirjoitti:Jennie is the opposite to Sillanpää, she has style, charisma, a perfect ESC-song and a good show. This is exactly the genre that is succesful in ESC, 9 songs of the top10 are always typical ESC-songs, e.g. Sweden always has a typical ESC-song. Hopefully Finland soon will learn something about what it takes to be succesful in ESC, and Finland can as well as other countries send this genre. But unfortunately many what to send artists like Sillanpää and Kuori (and Frederik if they could.), with an expected result.
I think there is a conflict between these two sentences. Sending Jennie would be everything else but a fresh startJust forget about the past and start fresh!
And if Jennie would win on Saturday it would indeed be a fresh start for Finland!!!
In what way?Colby kirjoitti:I think there is a conflict between these two sentences. Sending Jennie would be everything else but a fresh startMore like a journey back to the 1990's.
Heja Sverige! Finland isn't Sweden and I guess I must reveal a horrible fact that there are also 38 other participating countries that aren't Swedens either! Even if we got 12 points from Sweden with Jennie, it wouldn't take us far. Besides, we wouldn't. In ESC Sweden tends to vote quite differently than in MF. The last two years Sweden has given its twelve points for ballads (I'm not afraid to move on and Lane moje), the two years before that, for its own nationals (Antique and Sahlene).Kuningas kirjoitti:I completly agree with Tobson! Jennie's song would be a huge hit in Sweden, and swedish songwriters and even swedish media agree with that!
Ehh.. and you must have intentionally misunderstood me here. I never said that Jari was a big name internationally but, like it or not, he is a big name in Finland. OK, it's often argumented that in ESC it doesn't matter if you're a big name in your own country. In theory, that's right, it doesn't. However, in reality, being a big name even locally means you must have gathered quite a lot of stage experience and one can't become a big name without some charisma and/or vocal capabilities (OK, OK, it is possible.. via a casting show)!Kuningas kirjoitti:Timoteus, do you mean that Jari Sillanpää is a big name and that his song was made for Eurovision?!? You must be kidding!?! Do you actually belive that someone i Europe know him?!?
Ahem... Jennie might be the opposite to Sillanpää because Sillanpää had far more charisma. However, neither had a good (let alone perfect) song nor a good show.Kuningas kirjoitti:Jennie is the opposite to Sillanpää, she has style, charisma, a perfect ESC-song and a good show.
Nonsense. Most of the top10 is nowadays far from the usual ESC stuff, especially nothing like Kiss me. Last year only Sweden and possibly Bosnia and Greece had a ESC song by numbers and all of them had far more charismatic (and experienced!!!) artists than Jennie. The Ukrainian, Turkish, Cypriot and German entries were actually more or less something unprecedented in ESC and they all did very well.Kuningas kirjoitti:This is exactly the genre that is succesful in ESC, 9 songs of the top10 are always typical ESC-songs, e.g. Sweden always has a typical ESC-song.
At least we agree on this. He would be the worst choice by far but I'm sure he won't reach the superfinal. Actually I'd be surprised if he gets any points from the regional juries.TobSon kirjoitti:Just keep Christian Forss out or I will take issue!!!